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post #1 of 12 (permalink) Old 07-23-2016, 11:23 AM Thread Starter
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How many have been able to start their 650s with pull start?

And no battery? I am in the process of buying an 03 Rincon650 and was happy to discover it has a pull start backup. I was wondering, in an emergency situation, if it would be possible to start it with a completely dead/ no battery.

So I disconnected the battery, out the ignition on, and pulled the choke out.

Man, you better have eaten your whesties. I nearly gave up. But once it acted like it wanted to backfire and the rope seized, I pulled once more and it actually fired up.

The display was wonking out and unintelligible. I was happy it would at least run.

So I killed it. But I wondered if it could also be driven in this condition, as it is electronically controlled.

I could not re start it without the battery. Even with the choke in and the throttle partially pulled. I was told when kick starting an engine to put the piston on the beginning of the compression stroke then kick hard, and this usually works.

However, the Rincon is electronically controlled and needs power to the ecu become it'll fire. It's not a simple self powered ignition that fires on every revolution no matter what (like the Honda gy6 engine).

So perhaps pulling after the compression stroke is best, as it gives the magneto time to put power to the ecu before the compression/firing stroke comes. I'm still not sure.

Anyway, I wanted to see if it would drive without battery, so I started it with the starter, then disconected the battery.

The display wonked out again. I tried shifting into D and it immediately died.

Starting it back up, I revved it a little had to keep it going, shifting into D made too much of a mechanical racket for me. In short, it is possible to start an 03 Rincon without the battery. It is hard. But even if you do, it won't drive. You risk damaging the transmission by trying to keep the engine revving fast enough to supply the current needed to facilitate the transmission control unit and related solenoids.

I should also say, using the pull start with the battery connected results in instant startups. Just make sure your trans is in neutral. Just one pull is usually required and it fires right up.
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I have pull started mine, once. And only once. It ran with no battery connected for a few miles back to the house. There is a decompression mechanism on the cam, but as for pull starting these, yea I just carry cables or a jump box, lol

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Don't run it with no battery at all. You risk frying your voltage regulator. It needs a battery (even a dead battery) hooked up to help regulate the voltage spikes.
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You need a battery. Even a dead battery works. Without the battery, you don't have anywhere for the excess voltage to go and you arnt completing the circuit.

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When you try and start it with a bad battery, and need to move forward, put it in gear, pull back on the left brake lever and start it. It will move without you mashing the shift lever forward at higher than idle revs...


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When you try and start it with a bad battery, and need to move forward, put it in gear, pull back on the left brake lever and start it. It will move without you mashing the shift lever forward at higher than idle revs...
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I have pull started mine, once. And only once. It ran with no battery connected for a few miles back to the house. There is a decompression mechanism on the cam, but as for pull starting these, yea I just carry cables or a jump box, lol
How many times did you pull it before it started? Also how did you get it into hear? That's wild.

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How many times did you pull it before it started? Also how did you get it into hear? That's wild.
I have the newer final shift gear, it will go in gear up to about 2500rpm

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I have the newer final shift gear, it will go in gear up to about 2500rpm
Final shift gear? Is that something I can put in mine? It always clacks and clunks into gear.

Also how many times did you have to pull it before it started? Maybe your ecu is newer than mine.

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In 2012 or so they started using the final shift gear from a Big read 700 in thw rincon. These gears have 5 teeth instead of 10 the earlier rincons came with. With 10 teeth the slots are xlose together amd do not mesh easy. With the 5 teeth, it catches fast amd firm!. Have to pull the rear cover off to get to it

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