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post #21 of 27 (permalink) Old 01-28-2014, 08:52 AM Thread Starter
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Hello James,

You do realize that the USA does not need this treaty. Our country already has the Arms Export Control Act. Just knowing that schumer, feinstein and oblabla want this tells me it's no good. obomba even came out and said this will not infringe on our 2nd amendment right. The one thing I have learned about him is that it's the exact opposite of what he says. If you like your healthcare, shovel ready jobs, bla bla bla bla



The next thing that you brought up twice in this thread is assad. Let me guess. You think the US should go after him because of supposed wmd use by him. The ones pushing that line of bull$hit is the house of suad and israel.
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Hi Blakely,

The USA has such a law but other countries do not, which is the reason the international community thought that the UNATT was a good idea. Consider China and especially Russia, who are major international arms suppliers and eager for sales dollars (or yen or rubles). They seem to have no issue with providing mass quantities of weapons to Assad, for example, even though it is common knowledge that he uses them for genocide and other purposes which would be considered 'war crimes'. This treaty is intended to stop precisely this type of transaction, not infringe Mr. Blakely and his precious guns here in the USA.

Regarding your comment about Schumer, Feinstein, etc.; I have a problem with anyone who would place more importance on the messenger than the message. What if these same messengers were to tell you not to smoke cigarettes while pouring gasoline into your lawnmower? Would you do the opposite just to spite them? Based on your past posts and comments, it is my impression that you don't seem to do nuance particularly well so perhaps you may not get the point I am trying to make?

You are correct that I have mentioned Assad twice (now four times) on this thread, but incorrect in your presumption. I mention Assad, along with Kim Jong Un, only as examples of 'heinous dictators' who would have their feathers clipped by the UNATT. I have no opinion regarding, as you suggest, going after Assad because of supposed WMD's. I personally think the whole issue is 'not our problem', but I would not aid and abet the guy by selling him WMD's or other arms, for example. He seems dangerous enough to his own people as it is.

Regarding you apparent fear about the UNATT infringing your 2nd amendment right; perhaps you might have been alarmed by the following publication, written by John Bolton:

A sneaky way to control guns* - NY Daily News

If I formed my opinions on emotion instead of logic, I would certainly be alarmed. However, I am logical and rational (at least IMHO) and I notice that, despite making some serious accusations in this piece (which all boil down to "vague, ambiguous stipulations gun-control advocates could later cite as requiring further domestic restraints"), he fails to provide even a single example of these 'stipulations'. Now, I realize that if Bolton did give examples, they would make his argument vastly stronger! He could point to specific language and proclaim "See! See how the evil liberals are trying to cleverly trick us?!!" but he does not...and if such language or evidence existed, it would be very easy to show. Instead, he relies entirely on unsubstantiated accusations and this, to a rational, logical person such as myself, makes his case both very weak and very suspicious. It is clear to me that Bolton is making merely a rhetorical argument, which is no valid argument at all although it does resonate with people who do not have good critical thinking skills.

Lastly, I would like to compliment you on your gif. Blakely, you have a natural talent for finding gifs which seem to accurately represent your attitudes and views.

Edit: clearly it is time to change my 'motto' again. :-)


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My main problem is the UN itself. Like someone else said the UN is like a Glacier on Ritalin.

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My main problem is the UN itself. Like someone else said the UN is like a Glacier on Ritalin.
Agreed - that's what I've been thinking while this thread has been ongoing. Forget the anti second Amendment treaty - why does the UN exist at all? And why are we a willing and active part of it?

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"A Glacier on Ritalin." That is a very evocative term, Harleydog! :-) I love it.

But, what is your opinion on the UNATT?
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My opinion on the UNATT is that it is just ridiculous for the U.S. to participate in it. Do you think that China, North Korea and Russia will. They will sell arms as fast as they can regardless of any UN resolution and not to the parties in U.S. interests. The UNATT, in my opinion will open a door to gun restrictions in the USA. The current US Executive Administration has made their agenda very clear, Restricted Gun ownership at all cost. I feel lucky I live in a state where I can have a CCW to carry concealed and carry a gun in my vehicle without any permit. In Nevada you can even carry unconcealed legally. I am against any law or laws that infringe on my right to bare arms or any UN resolution that may or even may not infringe on that right.

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James,
Right or wrong, people are entitled to their opinions. Do some assume to much with the un att? Yes, but its the past actions of feinstein and shumer that lead them to believe the worst may be possible. The thing I find a real shame is you changing your motto again. I'm assuming you are calling anyone who does not agree with you stupid, or maybe it's just to me you are referring. Either or, it's no wonder why so many here don't want anything to do with you.
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