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post #11 of 18 (permalink) Old 09-18-2014, 05:05 PM
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Wow! Now this ad issue is a liberal plot to undermine America? Holy cow.

First of all, I'm not a true blue liberal OR a bloody red conservative. I am a solidly purple moderate American and that patently DOES NOT mean that I don't believe in anything. It means that I strive for a reasonable world based on reality, facts, and truth and to hell with ALL political dogma.

That being said, let me paint another scenario: I don't even watch TV but I know that CBS is not running out of advertisers, especially on their national broadcasts. Do you ever find that TV programming is running short on commercials? I don't think so. Therefore, CBS has the luxury of picking national advertisers for national broadcasts, and local advertisers for local broadcasts without losing a penny in revenue. Maybe even the national advertisers pay higher rates, IDK. Probably the broadcasters can't run all the ads they get solicited for or the viewers would start to bitch that the programming is all commercials and no content. I think TV is perilously close to that level already.

CBS would care because, for example, viewers in Marietta, GA would be perplexed by seeing real estate ads for Spokane, WA. WTF? CBS, like all TV broadcasters, undoubtedly has a policy which selects commercials to fit the markets they are played in. Does this sound reasonable to you, or do you think this strategy is preposterous and incredible? Do you think it’s a LPDA (Liberal Plot to Destroy America) because it’s CBS and not FOX?

BTW, we're talking about a local realtor, not a pizza franchise with expansion hopes. You can't sell homes in Cottage Grove, OR to people who live in New York.

You claim to be tired of all the half truths & lies coming from the left, but then you list:

- IRS lost email scandal,

-Benghazi,

-the girl with the virginity rocks t-shirt,

-bringing American flags to school, and

-the pledge of allegiance being changed for the 'air force' because it contains the word God.

ALL of these particular issues are examples of outraged CONSERVATIVES publicizing these issues to generate populist sympathy. Heck, let’s look at them:

I don't know the story about Benghazi or the IRS 'lost email' and I personally feel that the IRS BS is more of an institutional coverup than a partisan one, and I think that Benghazi is really just incompetent government business as usual, not anything particularly partisan and sneaky. I may be wrong and you may be more informed that I on these particular issues, IDK but I think both of these are more an example of human nature than partisan politics.

For the other three, I think they are either blown way out of perspective, half-truths, or flat out lies. The girl with the T-shirt happened in Fayetteville, AK . The four boys with ‘large American Flags mounted on posts in their truck beds” happened in South Carolina and both cases were in response to violations of 'blind, sweeping policies'. The one about the Air Force (I read that it was regarding the Marine Corps) has been going around since at least 2006, and has been thoroughly discredited as 100% false intended to slam the ACLU. Last time I looked, schools have been so pressured by parents on both ideological sides that they are circling the wagons and not permitting anything which could be construed by ANYONE as objectionable, anywhere. Knee jerk policy but forced into it by the partisan acrimony which is so evident right here on this thread.

You believe whatever you want and good for you! The first amendment guarantees us the right to say and believe anything, true or not. Hooray for the constitution!
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post #12 of 18 (permalink) Old 09-18-2014, 05:45 PM
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You said "I personally feel that the IRS BS is more of an institutional coverup than a partisan one" even though the liberal media admits that the emails related to selective targeting of conservative groups. Any arguments anybody on here makes after that statement would be a waste of time if their purpose was to enlighten you.

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Badhabit, I also said "I don't know the story about Benghazi or the IRS 'lost email'", and like you pointed out, I only said "I personally FEEL...(but) I may be wrong and you may be more informed than I". If you can enlighten me with new facts and information about this, I would appreciate it. I might have a more open mind than you assume. I really like learning what really is, not just what everyone is saying about stuff. Can you please send me some links about that? Many thanks,

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Sorry to disappoint you, Blakely, but I'm very, very busy with work. I've spent more time than I have on this thread already. But I will look into any info that Badhabit may send me.

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The sad thing is James that we will never get all the facts on the Irs scandal or Benhazi. We know that the Irs targeted conservative groups. We know that the emails were supposedly lost. We know that the irs canceled their contract with sonasoft after the investigation began. We also know that the irs said they found some of the supposedly destroyed tapes. Can we prove anyone higher up than Lois Lerner instigated it? No.

Benghazi, we know that the administration lied about the cause in the beginning. They knew the obscure movie was not the cause. We know that the general in charge of that area was relieved of duty. we know that people on the ground there all say that they were told to stand down. We also know that the media has pretty much given the ones responsible a pass. There is no accountability in government and sadly I don't even think the majority of people even expect it anymore. I agreed with you the other day when you said we need to vote out all the incumbents. I also think we need term limits. 2 terms is enough. We need to prosecute the ones that break the law from top to bottom. There's a reason that this administration has divided this country. Race relations now seem worse to me than they did in the 60's. It's ironic since this supposedly racist population elected Obama, twice!

If you don't think the media is biased then explain why Ferguson got so much airplay while the white kid, that was unarmed, shot by a black cop received none except in it's local area, or the kid in New Jersey that was killed as part of a jihad has barely been mentioned. Think about it.

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Cool James. I'm sure you are very busy building machines to irradiate people. Must be interesting work. I would assume the g pays you well.
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Hey Badhabit-

I agree with you pretty much all down the line. Some of the things you mention I have not heard about because I'm working my a$$ off since last spring and I don't even get TV in my house so I only check out the internet news when I get time.

I think that pretty much EVERYTHING in our country has chosen sides: Blue vs Red (or for obscene profits vs for welfare-for-votes). The situation is DISGUSTING to me. I want to puke every time I see something that should be important and dealt with fairly turned into a political circus. I think that if you really boil it down, liberals and conservatives share probably more than 80% common ideological ground and to demonize the other guys plays into the hands of the plutocrats who are orchestrating all of this behind the scenes so they can steal us blind while we are busy fighting each other. Shameful.

I don't know that the IRS is particularly a liberal or conservative organization. I think it is comprised of a very few people who were appointed (and could be politically motivated) at the very top levels, and a whole boatload of people who were hired as employees, and those people are just people that happen to work for the government like teachers, police, soldiers, and trash collectors. There could be a larger conspiracy here, but I don't think the IRS is that smart. Probably they are doing what almost anyone who got caught in the cookie jar would do: covering their asses but that is just a loosely held, not-very-informed opinion.

I think it's true that the media can be biased; certainly msnbc and Huffpost have a very liberal take on things while Fox and National Review (for example) are conservative, but I think that the media in general is driven by profit motives more than ideology and the more sensational the story, the more viewers or clicks, and the more ad money rolls in.

Me, generally I get my news from The Onion. I wish we had something like the old Soviet news source Pravda (Truth) purported to be. Paid for out of taxes as a non-partisan, non-sensationalist, non-commercial source of the straight dope on everything important going down in our world. I'd be more than happy to contribute a few tax dollars a year for something like that, if only it could exist.

Blakely, do I detect a yellowish tint to your post? No matter. Actually, I am busy developing a scientific research product which acquires functional images of mice. Nude mice, as in completely hairless. It's a very neat gizmo that combines a super-high resolution x-ray CT scanner with a visible light CT scanner, and scientists will use it to develop new drugs and do basic research into molecular biology and genetics, for example. We call it 'pre-clinical' because it is technology which is used to develop future clinical applications which improve medical therapies for people like me and you. The visible light CT is very cool...essentially we take a mouse which has, for example, cancer and inject it with a new, untried cancer-fighting drug which has a 'fluorescent dye' attached to it's molecules (essentially a tiny bit of day-glo paint). Then we shine a diode pumped laser beam into a mouse where it excites the fluorescent dye, causing the day-glo paint to glow. At array of detectors and filters block the excitation (laser) wavelength but pass the fluorescent wavelength, and we acquire data that can be re-constructed into a 3D CT image of exactly where in the mouse the cancer-fighting drug is concentrating as a result of biological activity. Voila, really useful data about how/if/why the cancer fighting drug is working! It does not have to be a cancer drug; it could be research for Alzheimer's, or M.S., or Diabetes, or pretty much anything, capisce?

This project is paid for by good old American capitalism. No government dollars are involved.
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