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post #101 of 108 (permalink) Old 07-04-2017, 12:40 AM
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Harleydog, I think that you don't get me at all. It seems that you assume I am some sort of raging uber liberal but I am very much NOT that...every pop internet 'what is your political leanings' quiz I have ever taken has put me smack dab in the bullseye...maybe just a half bullet diameter to the left or the top, meaning just slightly liberal/libertarian bent but make no mistake, amigo, I am about as moderate and centrist as they come.

Regarding the dumbing down of Americans: I am as dismayed by that as you are, but it has no partisan bias...Americans of all stripes are getting dumber by the day. I blame indulgent parents, schools which are really day care for K ~12, the fact that no one reads anymore, and that our young people are drowning in a sea of affluent distraction...every single one of them piss their lives into away their smart phones & tablet computers. Critical thinking? Not so much anymore. Jay Leno used to have an act where someone would go interview passersby on the street and ask them questions anyone who could pass a high school civics class out to know and it was appalling how uninformed they were. This was years ago. and it's only gotten worse.

You ask what I want? Simple: I want a moral and ethical country/society where issues are debated and decided upon the factual merits of the issues, not partisan advantage or self-serving get-reelected-at-all-costs bullshit. I want a society where, like every other first world society BUT the USA, health care is a right of citizenship and that means socialized, single-payer, but I also don't want people to make billions by gouging sick people who will pay whatever is demanded to keep from dying. IMO, healthcare, like prisons and schools, should be NON-PROFIT.

I also want a society where we recognize that some citizens are born to be landscapers, garbagemen, and retail clerks, and others are born to be surgeons, engineers, and other high-performers, and education is judiciously granted, free to all, to suit the potential of the recipient. THAT will guarantee the strength and robustness of our nation for future generations an is worth doing, in my centrist opinion. I also want a society which is structured to ensure the long-term survival of our species and our planet, because if we do not do that, everything else is for shit.
Oh yeah, I also want an efficient government which is concerned with providing for the greater good, not just it's own self-justification and perpetuation. Boom.
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post #102 of 108 (permalink) Old 07-04-2017, 10:58 AM
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James, it sounds like you voted for Bernie Sanders. Health care is not a right. If you/we want it to be it would have to be passed by legislation. Also I would not trust our Government to run such a huge program. What program that they run now isn't filled with corruption and kickbacks to officials? Also free higher education, really. That would have to have a complete overhaul of the system. Tenure would have to end, bad teachers would have to be fired, balanced education and views would have to be allowed and enforced. Then you have the problem of who makes these decisions. Utopia sounds great but is very, very difficult to achieve if not impossible. Then there is protection of other species and the planet. I agree that should be done but the USA is not at the heart of those problems. How do you make other countries comply with that?
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James I didn't cut anything down. What I stated is how things work. What world do you live in? As you stated when people of no means go to the ER they are taken care of at taxpayer expense. That includes millions of illegal immigrants. If you are a citizen and own a home or other property you are sued for it to pay the bill. Yes the system is broken but as I stated it has to be approved by our elected officials. That is a fact. You said nothing about my comments about free higher education. It does not work as is and what I suggested is a good start to fix it. You can't wave a wand and fix this sh*t. Our country is still a republic. As I once heard you say "Term Limits Are Our Only Hope". People need to get involved to make changes. Obama created a great divide in this country and the liberals are just spitting hate and resistance. We need to work together to improve things and at this point I do not see that happening anytime soon.
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How much detail do you expect in a brief post? Sheesh, I already am one of the longest-winded posters to ever grace the RR forum. Anyway, of course, I agree that all the points you made about fixing the gov't, schools, etc must occur before a better way can be implemented. I thought that went without saying but ok, I've said it (agreed with you) now.

I don't recall saying "Term limits are our only hope" (although I may have said something about term limits being a step in the right direction), but I certainly recall saying that campaign finance reform is essential to recover a representative government that works for We The People. We must get the money out of politics or politics will only represent the money.

Please answer me this: HOW did "Obama (create) a great divide in this country"? I am curious. It seems to me, as an objective, fact-based citizen, that Obama tried like hell to unify the electorate and reduce bitter partisanship, at least for the most of his first term, until the republicans in congress just stonewalled the crepe out of him and he finally gave up and just started writing executive orders.
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Please answer me this: HOW did "Obama (create) a great divide in this country"? I am curious.
Post above snipped and condensed for clarity in my response......for me, Obama created a divide by taking the stance that the USA is not exceptional. Then he started an "Apology" tour of the world. I never got over this. The crying shame is you are one bullet hole left and I am one bullet hole right of center.....and we got no viable candidates at the bulls-eye.

We agree on term limits....always have.
I want public financing of all elections at state and federal levels.

I believe only doing these 2 things would fix most issues.

I doubt we will have a Civil War as some elude to, we are just too lazy to really act on our convictions. But, we have lost a generation in the millennial's and who knows what they will be raising as children.
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We have a govt run healthcare system. The VA. When one looks at what horrible treatment the VA provides, it should be a very clear picture of what happens when a bloated bureaucratic government runs healthcare.


I work in healthcare. The affordable health care act did not make healthcare affordable for most of the middle class. Our rates went UP, not down. Reimbursement rates for providers, as a whole, went down. When people spend years and years and hundreds of thousands of dollars to become a doctor, they do so with the expectation that their work and investment will pay off in the future. By limiting that you will drive the best and brightest into other fields. My local PCP HATES his job now. He said he wanted to treat patients, not spend 1/2 of his office budget and 1/3 of his time dealing with compliance forms and bureaucratic government overreach, while at the same time watching his income plummet.


What about the poor? They had Medicaid.


Healthcare in this country became a problem WHEN THE GOVERNMENT GOT INVOLVED. Healthcare costs jumped when Medicare and Medicaid were created. Just like skyrocketing tuition came about from government guaranteed student loans. When people are spending money that isn't theirs, there is zero reason to be conscious of cost.





Insurance is designed to be a parachute, to keep people from losing everything they have. Instead we have out of control expenses because no one wants to pay any out-of-pocket expenses anymore. Before Medicare and Medicaid were enacted, people paid a much higher percentage out of pocket, but then again, we weren't being charged $78 for an aspirin because that's what Medicare, Medicaid, or one of the insurance companies deemed was market value.
Costs are out of control because prices are set by the market. What we have is not the free market, what we have is a hellish trap between the insurance companies and the providers.


And of course, being in healthcare, I know that an overwhelming amount of money is spent on issues that are PREVENTABLE. Am I expected to pay for someone's health issues that are a direct result of their lifestyle choices? We have morbidly obese people come in every day with Type 2 diabetes and heart disease, and they want a magic pill that will make the feel better, but they will NOT stop eating crap, and they will NOT exercise. They CAUSE their health problems, and you want ME to pay for that? Then the other HUGE health care expense is treating those who are on death's door. At what point to we look at someone like my wife's 87 year old grandmother, who has been bedridden for 2.5 years (after a stroke) and decide that while we should certainly make her comfortable, that spending 1/2 million dollars to treat her, when every provider says "She CANNOT get better"?


I will be the first to admit that the liberal mindset sounds great in theory. Everyone chips in, does what they are supposed to do, and we all live better lives.


That simply is not reality. You can say "how cynical" but it is the TRUTH, no matter how you spin it. When you take away people's personal responsibility, you bring an entire society to the lowest common denominator. That is what happens when "the state" runs things. Government is the most corrupt and inept facet of our society. We should be shrinking government and limiting the power of government, not putting it in charge of everything.
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I am a believer in strict term limits. I am willing to loose the occasional, exceptional, politician for the certainty of being able to take out the trash politicians periodically. When you make exceptions it gets out of control. I believe term limits would minimize the effects of gerrymandering.

As for the apologist Obama, I can follow your idea to some extent, but Japanese and German citizens knew what their government did and it was not ambiguous. They should have been ashamed. The general populace in the USA does not know all that our government gets involved in, because the worthless press spins it so badly. The news media has become irrelevant to many, most, if not all of us. We, me in some ways included, are a lazy nation and only want to seek out our own personal truths, not everything that our government is doing. I was not happy that Obama felt the need to speak for me and even worse apologize for me. We should have done this as a nation, through actions and not Obama's talk. I found it somewhat interesting that Obama apologized for me, then droned a lot of people to death. I did not hate Obama, I just did not agree with the party he represented. If the current state of politics and what the left lost and the right gained in the last few election cycles is any guide....than I am obviously not alone. I think the reason Trump was as successful as he was, is that Hillary was seen as an extension of Obama's apologetic mantra while Trump is not even capable of apologizing.

I follow the Rand Paul school when it comes to world wide relations. We do not need to feed the world nor make it safe. We get in trouble when we pick winners and losers. Maybe it makes us safer in some way, but if terrorism is an indication, it is only a matter of time until European flavored violence comes to our shores.

P.S. - Glad to see ya back around. I hope your family is doing well.

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Y'all rock! Regardless on all the naysayers over the past 2 years you have been proven right. The left and the establishment are still haunting Trump but he is still leading the charge to make us better. I don't like how he speaks but I do like the results. If one ever wonders why he is doing what he does, just watch his interviews for the past 30 years, this is nothing new to him.
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