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post #1 of 8 (permalink) Old 09-03-2019, 02:14 PM Thread Starter
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Arrow Why only 3 gears...?? Chuggs when goin' slow.

Do all Rincon's have only 3 gears...?

Mine is an '11, its only got 3 .

Got mine back in June, and just this past Sunday i was able to take it for a long ride.
Well,,,,, 24 miles.
and was able to get it up over 40 mph.

On Sunday, I was in auto mode.

I noticed it / felt it, that it shifts out of 1st gear around 20 mph, sometimes maybe at 17 , but just easy accelerating, it would shift from 1st to 2nd right at 20.

Then, the few times that i was able to get going, it was harder to feel it but would shift from 2nd to 3rd around 35 - 40

No problem with any of that..... shifts smooth, runs great, suspension is great.... but i do think i'm gonna soften up my front shocks.

............... But.....................

When going slow,,,, like 5, 8 , 10 mph..... it lags, chuggs along.

You nail the gas, and she picks right up.... but tight slow trail riding, it kind'a could use a lower gear.

Now...... I'm coming off of a Foreman 500, and on that machine, i would be shifting from 1st to 2nd at about 5-6 mph.

I guess i just gotta get use it it.

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That's why a lot of people put the brgr gear reduction kit in them. I put one in mine and I have a lot of lowe range power and mine will shift in third gear at 25 miles an hour.

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Riding style. 3 Speed is plenty, We can easily do 110KMh (68MPH which is enough speed to kill ya on 4psi tires) If your going slow, take it out of ESP and run 1st gear.... even to the rev limiter (engine stutter) you'll find gobs of power existing in there. A small learning curve, and amazing control when your right thumb gets learnt. (Once you are moving and depress the throttle fully, hang on. However burping the throttle will flood the motor. BRGR.... like clipping the wings off an eagle.
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A somewhat simplified explanation of your 3 speed tranny. It has a torque converter between the crankshaft and the gear box. A torque converter uses hydraulics to allow a form of additional gear reduction available in all 3 gears.



So, even in first, the TC gives you additional mechanical advantage that allows the engine to rev higher in each gear. You can "feel" what the TC is doing as you hit the gas, you feel a sort of slipping until the TC spools up and locks completely, then it shifts and repeats the process. My explanation is overly simplified, a little reading on how a hydraulic torque converter works from wikipedia will do a better job. It is the same concept as what most automobile transmissions use, minus the planetary gears a car uses.

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A somewhat simplified explanation of your 3 speed tranny. It has a torque converter between the crankshaft and the gear box. A torque converter uses hydraulics to allow a form of additional gear reduction available in all 3 gears.



So, even in first, the TC gives you additional mechanical advantage that allows the engine to rev higher in each gear. You can "feel" what the TC is doing as you hit the gas, you feel a sort of slipping until the TC spools up and locks completely, then it shifts and repeats the process. My explanation is overly simplified, a little reading on how a hydraulic torque converter works from wikipedia will do a better job. It is the same concept as what most automobile transmissions use, minus the planetary gears a car uses.
Thanks....CD..... exactly what it feel..... it takes a few seconds to spool up and then rockets off.

Oil, i'll try ESP on my next ride...!
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I bought my Rincon used so I am not sure if I have the brgr gear reduction. My shift points are as follows: 1st to 2nd shifts between 12-15 mph and 2nd to 3rd usually shifts at 25 mph.

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The thing that changes with the brgr gear reduction is the low end torque ( I can do wheelies now) and top end, other than that I don't know how you could tell without taking it apart.

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I bought my Rincon used so I am not sure if I have the brgr gear reduction. My shift points are as follows: 1st to 2nd shifts between 12-15 mph and 2nd to 3rd usually shifts at 25 mph.

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Those are the normal shift points under moderate throttle application. If you hit and hold the gas harder, it will extend the shift points higher. The rincon has an ECU and TCU that work together. They monitor several inputs including rate of throttle application, throttle position sensor, rpm, and speed. Using these inputs, it figures out how long to hold each gear before shifting. The TCU also knows when you apply a brake. If you are letting off the throttle slightly and approaching a normal automatic downshift point, then hit the brakes just hard enough to activate the brake lights, the tranny will downshift 1 gear when in AUTO mode.


The rincon transmission is the only one of its type in the ATV world. It uses a torque converter and constant mesh gears with 3 separate shift clutches (one for each gear change). It seems simplistic when you ride it, but has proven to be very effective and almost bullet proof. About the only way to kill a rincon automatic is to shift it between forward and reverse before the engine drops back to idle. Never rock the tranny between F and R under throttle. NEVER.


The BRGR (Big Red gear reduction) is the final drive parts from the heavier side by side UTV. What it does is change the overall gear reduction across all three speeds. It is a lower final gear reduction. It is easy to tell what you have. A standard rincon will reach max speed around 55 to 60 mph with a normal weight rider and stock size tires. If you are topping out around 45 mph (with high rpm) and all shift points are lower than those above, you likely have a BRGR.


There was also an aftermarket final gear reduction (out before the BRGR became available) that changed only 1 of the final drive gear pair and was in between what a stock rincon has and a BRGR.

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