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post #1 of 7 (permalink) Old 12-03-2015, 01:45 PM Thread Starter
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Rancher air problem!

I've been a member here for several years but hate to admit how long it's been since I dropped in for a visit.


I hope I can get some help to correct this problem.
We've been experiencing something strange with my wife's 2006 350 Rancher electric shift.
I'll be first to admit our 4 wheelers don't get used very often. Hers is almost 10 years old and only has about 1100 miles on it. I just changed the oil in it and I want to say it has 158 hrs. on the hour meter. My 680 Rincon has a little more time and miles on it then hers does but not much.

Here's what we've been experiencing with her Rancher.
It will be running fine then it just quits. I thought it was something to do with the fuel shut off valve. We found that it seemed to happened less if we put the fuel shut off valve on reserve even with a full tank of gas. With it still happening I really don't think it matters anymore at this point if it's set on the On position or on Reserve.


I mentioned it to a few people and they said it sounds like something is wrong with the fuel shutoff valve.
We went ahead and replaced the fuel valve. It still doing the same thing. Then a friend who works for a Honda dealer looked at it. It was running and it did the same thing with him. It just quit running like it ran out of gas.
He took the overflow/vent hose on the fuel cap and blew into it to pressurize it so to speak. It started right up. We've had it quit several times since , but at least we know now when it happens to blow into the overflow hose to get it started again.
I was ready to buy a new fuel cap then I decided to try something first.

I tried the cap off my 2006 Rincon 680 which has never had issues and swapped it with the one from her Rancher. The Rancher is still doing the same thing. Mine runs fine with either cap.

What gives here? The guys I know @ the Honda dealer even took that cap in question apart and it looks like everything is in order.

Has anyone else ever had or heard of such a problem like this before? If so what needed to be done to correct it. We usually only use them during hunting season so like I said they don't used that often.

I'm not mechanic.
All this seems to have started after some guy who was recommended by a friend that used to work for this Honda dealership agreed to work on them for us on the side. He's no longer working for that dealership. It appears he messed something up.

I appreciate any help.

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post #2 of 7 (permalink) Old 12-03-2015, 04:24 PM
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when you replaced the gas petcock was there a screened filter attached to it? Those would be the first two things I would check (cap also). check vent lines on carb, maybe plugged from bugs, etc.

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Maybe the float is sticking in the carb. Or the needle valve the float pushes. The recommendation before mine is worth checking also.

Next time it quits see if the carb has fuel in the bowl by cracking the bowl drain open.

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Maybe the float is sticking in the carb. Or the needle valve the float pushes. The recommendation before mine is worth checking also.

Next time it quits see if the carb has fuel in the bowl by cracking the bowl drain open.
Good point corndog. thats probably why it starts when blowing in tank it must release float

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Thanks for the comments and ideas.

AVDV that friend who works for that Honda dealer replaced the fuel petcock. Weather permitting if I have time I'll check these things mentioned this weekend.
That guy who was recommended to work on them, I don't know what he did but something isn't right. Both 4 wheelers have always been filled with gas out of the same gas can or I fill them at the same time at the same gas pump. Mine was fine but her tank supposedly had sand in it. All this mysteriously happened after he worked on them. I did put it in the Honda shop to have everything cleaned out after the sand was found in the fuel tank. I wonder if there could still be some sand and causing the float not to move freely or causing a blockage.
During hunting season we would leave them chained to the travel trailer. Most people left their 4 wheelers there during the entire hunting season and I have never heard of anyone tampering with them.

I will definitely next time it quits I'll see if there's any gas in the fuel bowl.

Thanks again for everyone's help. I'll report back after I check it out. Hopefully I can do it this weekend.
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I messed with it on Sunday afternoon. I found a wire that somehow had gotten unplugged when I took the right side plastic off. I'm sure it was from the so called mechanic who worked on it. He put a inline filter on it and didn't even put clamps on it. He just shoved the filter in the fuel line, right away I thought that might be part of the problem. I put hose clamps on it and that did nothing.

Then I went to open the fuel bowl drain, how it wasn't leaking I'll never know as loose as it was. I rode around our back woods for about a half hour and twice it quit.
I didn't to take my screwdriver to see if there was fuel in the fuel bowl after it quit. It acts just like it's running out of gas. It sputters then quits. Once again I blew into the fuel cap vent/ overflow hose and it cranks right up.

I talked to one of the guys I know @ the Honda dealer last Friday. I hadn't seen him in awhile and decide to stop in to see how he's doing.
We are friends so I confided in him asking if they actually had any decent mechanics. Supposedly they have a top notch Honda mechanic.
So I guess after the holidays I'll take it over and let him mess with it.
It's not much good the way it is now. I checked the hour meter and it's 190 hrs and not the 158 hrs I mentioned. I guess I got the 158 hrs off the sticker I put on there from the oil change before.

Thanks for everyone's help. Once I get it straightened out I'll drop back in. Incase I don't get back here before the Holidays. I hope all of you and your families have a safe and joyous holiday season.
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My guess is that the needle and seat are dirty and need to be replaced. Also the float needs to be checked. When it is out check to see if the float chambers have fluid in them. If not make sure the float level is adjusted. If there is fluid in them then the float needs to be replaced also.

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